1 00:00:09,217 --> 00:00:11,344 After touching down in Tinseltown, 2 00:00:11,469 --> 00:00:14,931 Arnold Schwarzenegger wanted what everyone wanted. 3 00:00:15,056 --> 00:00:16,558 I really want to get big. 4 00:00:16,683 --> 00:00:18,268 {\an8}Schwarzenegger sunk his teeth 5 00:00:18,393 --> 00:00:19,978 {\an8}into the big screen, 6 00:00:20,103 --> 00:00:23,481 going from humble bodybuilder to barbarian. 7 00:00:23,606 --> 00:00:26,026 He started to be taken seriously. 8 00:00:26,151 --> 00:00:29,571 "Conan the Barbarian" really launched his career. 9 00:00:29,571 --> 00:00:32,198 Reaching the top of the box office... 10 00:00:32,323 --> 00:00:34,534 The film was like massively successful. 11 00:00:34,701 --> 00:00:36,119 ...Arnold's next project 12 00:00:36,244 --> 00:00:39,331 would surely set Hollywood on fire. 13 00:00:39,456 --> 00:00:40,707 And Universal's like, 14 00:00:40,874 --> 00:00:43,168 "Man, we should make this a family movie." 15 00:00:43,293 --> 00:00:46,046 Arnold, I think, was very disappointed. 16 00:00:46,212 --> 00:00:47,714 I do not like this film. 17 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:50,300 He thought that it was kind of a step down. 18 00:00:50,425 --> 00:00:53,094 But Schwarzenegger refused to step down, 19 00:00:53,094 --> 00:00:54,387 instead becoming-- 20 00:00:54,512 --> 00:00:55,638 Sarah Connor? 21 00:00:55,764 --> 00:00:57,557 No, that's not right. 22 00:00:57,724 --> 00:00:59,601 "I want to play the Terminator." 23 00:00:59,726 --> 00:01:00,977 Yes, that's it. 24 00:01:01,102 --> 00:01:03,521 The ultimate robotic villain. 25 00:01:04,731 --> 00:01:06,524 In a low-budget film noir. 26 00:01:06,650 --> 00:01:11,029 You're trying to do a $20 million film for $6 million? 27 00:01:11,529 --> 00:01:13,406 With an untested director. 28 00:01:13,573 --> 00:01:15,450 I said, "You're gonna become Jim Cameron. 29 00:01:15,450 --> 00:01:17,410 But right now, you're not." 30 00:01:17,577 --> 00:01:19,996 "Terminator," the story of a chaotic production... 31 00:01:20,121 --> 00:01:22,624 We had a lot of fights. We had a lot of, hmm. 32 00:01:22,749 --> 00:01:25,085 ...that nearly blew up. 33 00:01:25,251 --> 00:01:27,587 There was cocaine around the set. 34 00:01:27,754 --> 00:01:30,423 One of our set dressers got blood poisoning. 35 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:34,511 Head-on with a semi doing 60 miles an hour. 36 00:01:34,636 --> 00:01:36,221 That was a dangerous movie to do. 37 00:01:36,346 --> 00:01:38,556 As co-stars battled their demons. 38 00:01:38,682 --> 00:01:41,309 Linda, she would hang on me and just cry and cry and say, 39 00:01:41,309 --> 00:01:44,354 "Jim likes the machines more than he likes the actors." 40 00:01:44,479 --> 00:01:46,106 Was Arnold Schwarzenegger 41 00:01:46,231 --> 00:01:48,692 making the biggest mistake of his movie career? 42 00:01:48,817 --> 00:01:50,110 Some robot story? 43 00:01:50,276 --> 00:01:51,152 I think the word he said, 44 00:01:51,277 --> 00:01:52,654 "This sounds shitty." 45 00:01:52,779 --> 00:01:54,364 But yeah, I know it doesn't make any sense. 46 00:01:54,489 --> 00:01:56,700 Arthur looks at the film and he says to me, 47 00:01:56,825 --> 00:01:59,244 -"This is terrible." - Wrong. 48 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:35,238 Arnold Schwarzenegger's Conan character 49 00:02:35,363 --> 00:02:37,324 made him a household name. 50 00:02:37,449 --> 00:02:38,658 Schwarzenegger. 51 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:39,784 - Schwarzenegger. - Schwarzenegger. 52 00:02:39,951 --> 00:02:41,244 But the actor knew 53 00:02:41,369 --> 00:02:42,787 constantly reinventing himself 54 00:02:42,912 --> 00:02:45,248 would ensure career longevity. 55 00:02:45,373 --> 00:02:46,875 Do you wanna live forever? 56 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:48,668 And one role in an action picture 57 00:02:48,793 --> 00:02:50,712 set on the gritty streets of Los Angeles 58 00:02:50,712 --> 00:02:52,839 co-starring Linda Hamilton. 59 00:02:53,006 --> 00:02:55,508 Oh, not that picture. 60 00:02:55,675 --> 00:02:58,511 This action picture set on the gritty streets of Los Angeles 61 00:02:58,678 --> 00:03:00,180 co-starring Linda Hamilton 62 00:03:00,347 --> 00:03:02,098 was about to do just that. 63 00:03:02,223 --> 00:03:03,850 But what would make a fate 64 00:03:03,975 --> 00:03:07,604 {\an8}of these two mid '80s Linda Hamilton releases different? 65 00:03:07,729 --> 00:03:10,357 A larger than life Hollywood star on the rise, 66 00:03:10,482 --> 00:03:13,735 and a filmmaker whose legend had yet to unfold. 67 00:03:13,735 --> 00:03:16,613 The director who would make Arnold magic happen 68 00:03:16,738 --> 00:03:19,657 was born in a remote part of Ontario, Canada, 69 00:03:19,783 --> 00:03:22,077 but long before he met Schwarzenegger, 70 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:24,537 James Cameron would move to California, 71 00:03:24,663 --> 00:03:27,415 where he met another significant figure in his life. 72 00:03:27,415 --> 00:03:30,835 Friend and writing collaborator Bill Wisher. 73 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,545 His girlfriend at the time, 74 00:03:32,670 --> 00:03:34,255 {\an8}she was just a friend of mine, 75 00:03:34,381 --> 00:03:36,341 {\an8}she said, "You should meet my boyfriend." 76 00:03:36,466 --> 00:03:38,676 I was 17, I think he'd just turned 18. 77 00:03:38,802 --> 00:03:41,429 We were writing a lot of stuff that will never get made. 78 00:03:41,429 --> 00:03:44,516 But you can see in some of these early projects, 79 00:03:44,641 --> 00:03:46,559 he's a very fine artist. 80 00:03:46,726 --> 00:03:48,311 {\an8}The pair were inspired 81 00:03:48,436 --> 00:03:52,232 {\an8}by "2001: A Space Odyssey" and "Star Wars." 82 00:03:52,399 --> 00:03:53,858 Thank the maker. 83 00:03:53,984 --> 00:03:55,610 They set about making their own sci-fi 84 00:03:55,610 --> 00:03:58,905 that was as weird as the choice of financiers. 85 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:03,493 A conglomerate of dentists of all people. 86 00:04:03,618 --> 00:04:05,537 We got 40 grand out of them. 87 00:04:05,662 --> 00:04:07,622 To make their crowning achievement. 88 00:04:07,622 --> 00:04:09,582 A short film called "Xenogenesis," 89 00:04:09,749 --> 00:04:11,751 which you can find online. 90 00:04:11,876 --> 00:04:13,586 Yeah, it's right in front of me. 91 00:04:13,753 --> 00:04:16,673 And there were forced-perspective backgrounds. 92 00:04:16,798 --> 00:04:19,467 I was cutting them with box cutters. 93 00:04:19,467 --> 00:04:21,428 I'm the idiot running around 94 00:04:21,594 --> 00:04:23,680 that this thing is trying to kill. 95 00:04:24,848 --> 00:04:26,224 Soon enough, 96 00:04:26,349 --> 00:04:27,976 a young Alec Gillis would get pulled 97 00:04:27,976 --> 00:04:31,146 into the Xenogenesis orbit. 98 00:04:31,813 --> 00:04:34,315 The first time I met Jim Cameron, he said, 99 00:04:34,315 --> 00:04:36,609 "Hey, why don't you come out to a movie theater?" 100 00:04:36,776 --> 00:04:38,361 {\an8}I watched "Xenogenesis" 101 00:04:38,486 --> 00:04:41,406 {\an8}and it was so spectacular I left depressed. 102 00:04:41,531 --> 00:04:42,657 Both excited and depressed. 103 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:44,909 Do I have to do all-- Like what? 104 00:04:45,035 --> 00:04:46,786 I saw the models. 105 00:04:46,911 --> 00:04:48,913 Jim's creativity was setting a high bar, 106 00:04:49,039 --> 00:04:50,957 but Alec would have to get over it. 107 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:54,794 At the time, he was creating special effects too. 108 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:56,629 I had been making monsters 109 00:04:56,755 --> 00:05:01,301 in my mom's two-car garage in Santa Ana. 110 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:03,595 My sister knew someone who was working 111 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,597 on a movie called "Battle Beyond the Stars" 112 00:05:05,722 --> 00:05:07,515 for Roger Corman. 113 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,185 They saw my mom's garage and they said, 114 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:12,979 "Why don't you come in for an interview?" 115 00:05:13,104 --> 00:05:14,606 And I was very insecure 116 00:05:14,731 --> 00:05:17,817 'cause my portfolio was not professional at all. 117 00:05:17,984 --> 00:05:19,235 But Jim's was. 118 00:05:19,361 --> 00:05:20,737 The pair had become friends, 119 00:05:20,862 --> 00:05:23,823 and Alec was now a friend in need. 120 00:05:23,948 --> 00:05:24,949 And I thought, "Oh, 121 00:05:25,075 --> 00:05:27,827 maybe if I bring Jim along, 122 00:05:27,994 --> 00:05:29,454 it'll make me look good." 123 00:05:29,579 --> 00:05:30,747 So what do you think of him? 124 00:05:30,872 --> 00:05:32,457 It did and it didn't. 125 00:05:32,582 --> 00:05:35,502 Taking six months for these two young rascals 126 00:05:35,627 --> 00:05:36,961 to get in the door. 127 00:05:37,087 --> 00:05:38,838 Why did it take so long to get hired? 128 00:05:39,005 --> 00:05:41,883 Well, to quote James Cameron himself who said 129 00:05:42,008 --> 00:05:43,885 to me a few years later, 130 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:46,763 "Hey, I just found out why it took them so long to hire us. 131 00:05:46,888 --> 00:05:48,682 They thought I was an asshole." 132 00:05:51,518 --> 00:05:53,353 Jim and Alec's new boss Roger Corman 133 00:05:53,478 --> 00:05:58,400 was a prolific producer of low budget '50s and '60s films, 134 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,902 some of which became cult classics. 135 00:06:02,696 --> 00:06:04,864 {\an8}He had the reputation to giving 136 00:06:05,031 --> 00:06:08,034 {\an8}all these young artists a chance. 137 00:06:08,159 --> 00:06:10,370 But this crafty movie legend 138 00:06:10,495 --> 00:06:12,414 had an ulterior motive. 139 00:06:12,414 --> 00:06:14,040 I'll see you in hell first. 140 00:06:14,165 --> 00:06:17,711 {\an8}We couldn't afford the big-time directors 141 00:06:17,961 --> 00:06:21,339 {\an8}and the veteran directors who were pretty good, 142 00:06:21,464 --> 00:06:24,509 {\an8}I thought there are younger guys who are better. 143 00:06:24,634 --> 00:06:26,344 When Corman's film, 144 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:28,388 "Battle Beyond the Stars" went into production, 145 00:06:28,513 --> 00:06:31,307 he and the visual effects director gave Cameron 146 00:06:31,433 --> 00:06:34,019 his first real production design break. 147 00:06:34,144 --> 00:06:36,604 Chuck Comisky kind of offered up a little like, 148 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:39,566 "Hey, anybody got any ideas for the ship?" 149 00:06:39,691 --> 00:06:40,692 I did something, 150 00:06:40,817 --> 00:06:41,818 you know, this is kinda cool. 151 00:06:41,943 --> 00:06:43,486 Organic little, you know... 152 00:06:43,611 --> 00:06:46,531 And then Cameron plunked his down on top of mine 153 00:06:46,656 --> 00:06:47,949 and we all were like, 154 00:06:47,949 --> 00:06:49,576 "Oh, well, that's it right there." 155 00:06:49,743 --> 00:06:51,578 Not even a pale imitation. 156 00:06:52,370 --> 00:06:54,706 You know, I thought I did pretty well back there. 157 00:06:54,831 --> 00:06:58,084 I mean, it was a spaceship that actually had boobs. 158 00:07:01,004 --> 00:07:02,756 Who can say no to that? 159 00:07:02,881 --> 00:07:04,507 Before Jim knew it, 160 00:07:04,632 --> 00:07:06,801 Roger's bright young assistant, Gale Anne Hurd, 161 00:07:06,801 --> 00:07:09,929 was recommending him for something even bigger. 162 00:07:10,096 --> 00:07:11,973 Directing second unit. 163 00:07:12,098 --> 00:07:13,808 On 1981's-- 164 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:16,686 "Galaxy of Terror." 165 00:07:16,811 --> 00:07:18,646 What are the odds of us getting outta here? 166 00:07:18,772 --> 00:07:20,398 And while Jim and Alec 167 00:07:20,523 --> 00:07:22,609 were carpooling to work on the production... 168 00:07:22,734 --> 00:07:23,735 A lot of late nights, 169 00:07:23,860 --> 00:07:25,820 a lot of very tired driving. 170 00:07:25,945 --> 00:07:27,781 ...Jim pulled over and told Alec 171 00:07:27,947 --> 00:07:30,867 about a recurring nightmare that would change everything. 172 00:07:30,992 --> 00:07:34,454 He said, "I saw a car on fire 173 00:07:34,621 --> 00:07:37,999 and a metal skeleton got up out of the car," 174 00:07:38,124 --> 00:07:39,626 and that was the dream. 175 00:07:39,751 --> 00:07:41,044 Just that image, 176 00:07:41,169 --> 00:07:43,463 which was a central kind of thought in his mind. 177 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:45,048 And then I think he started thinking, 178 00:07:45,173 --> 00:07:48,134 "Well, how do I build a story around that?" 179 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:49,761 But apocalyptic robots 180 00:07:49,928 --> 00:07:51,721 would have to take a back seat 181 00:07:51,846 --> 00:07:54,974 when Roger Corman asked Jim to work on special effects 182 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:58,978 for a movie about apocalyptic fish. 183 00:07:59,145 --> 00:08:00,730 Keep your hand out of the water. 184 00:08:00,855 --> 00:08:03,483 What's wrong with the water? 185 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:06,653 Nasty films about nasty fish were in vogue, 186 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:09,614 and New World Pictures landed a whopper. 187 00:08:09,739 --> 00:08:12,867 "Piranha 1" was amazingly successful. 188 00:08:12,992 --> 00:08:14,828 So of course, you're gonna make another. 189 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:16,746 Entitled "Piranha 2," 190 00:08:16,871 --> 00:08:18,498 but when the director was fired, 191 00:08:18,665 --> 00:08:20,792 an eager Cameron got his big break 192 00:08:20,917 --> 00:08:23,503 to flex those big brain muscles. 193 00:08:23,628 --> 00:08:24,879 Special effects, 194 00:08:25,004 --> 00:08:26,840 the physical stuff and the art direction 195 00:08:26,965 --> 00:08:27,966 'cause he'd been an art director. 196 00:08:28,091 --> 00:08:30,677 So he sort of covered all bases. 197 00:08:30,802 --> 00:08:34,097 Except for one minor detail. 198 00:08:34,222 --> 00:08:36,391 Jim didn't know how to direct. 199 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:40,145 The idea of framing something perfectly, 200 00:08:40,270 --> 00:08:46,192 shooting it gorgeously is not the way "Piranha" worked. 201 00:08:46,317 --> 00:08:48,862 It's like fast cut, fast action, 202 00:08:48,987 --> 00:08:51,614 very dark, hardly see anything. 203 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:53,783 And you know, he was given nothing. 204 00:08:53,908 --> 00:08:55,535 He did it in Italy 205 00:08:55,702 --> 00:08:57,829 because there was an Italian producer 206 00:08:57,954 --> 00:08:59,873 that gave Roger a lot of money. 207 00:08:59,998 --> 00:09:02,208 And Roger just turned it over to Jim 208 00:09:02,375 --> 00:09:04,044 and sent him far away. 209 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:06,796 While Jim really sunk his teeth into it-- 210 00:09:06,921 --> 00:09:07,964 {\an8}He got fired from "Piranha 2." 211 00:09:08,089 --> 00:09:10,008 {\an8}He only worked 12 days on it. 212 00:09:10,133 --> 00:09:12,969 {\an8}I saw a poster. "Piranha 2"? 213 00:09:13,094 --> 00:09:15,972 {\an8}And I'm like, "Wow, he's directed a movie. 214 00:09:16,097 --> 00:09:17,474 This is fantastic." 215 00:09:17,599 --> 00:09:19,100 Well, for 12 days, 216 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:22,479 but then Cameron really began raising eyebrows. 217 00:09:22,604 --> 00:09:23,730 I remember somebody saying like, 218 00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:25,065 "Where's Jim? 219 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:26,566 We need him to answer questions." 220 00:09:26,733 --> 00:09:27,692 And then somebody else was going, 221 00:09:27,817 --> 00:09:28,860 "And where's Gale? 222 00:09:28,985 --> 00:09:30,904 I've got some questions for..." 223 00:09:31,071 --> 00:09:33,573 And people went, "Oh." 224 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,784 Gale Anne Hurd, very strong. 225 00:09:35,784 --> 00:09:37,494 She's very smart. 226 00:09:37,619 --> 00:09:38,662 She came up through Corman. And of course, 227 00:09:38,787 --> 00:09:40,663 {\an8}her and Jim, producer team, 228 00:09:40,789 --> 00:09:43,792 {\an8}they made a very formidable couple. 229 00:09:43,917 --> 00:09:48,088 He and Gale started collaborating on movie ideas. 230 00:09:48,254 --> 00:09:49,214 And one idea, 231 00:09:49,381 --> 00:09:51,174 or rather nightmare, 232 00:09:51,299 --> 00:09:53,677 "The Terminator" would need Jim's old writing partner 233 00:09:53,802 --> 00:09:57,180 Bill's special touch before he could take it to Gale. 234 00:09:57,305 --> 00:09:58,890 Jim was joking with me. 235 00:09:59,015 --> 00:10:00,767 He says, "Well, you've got a young girlfriend. 236 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:02,977 You probably know how these people talk. 237 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:05,980 You write all the early scenes with Sarah." 238 00:10:05,980 --> 00:10:08,108 He gave me sections of the treatment 239 00:10:08,274 --> 00:10:09,818 to turn into a script. 240 00:10:09,985 --> 00:10:11,611 Better than mortal man deserves. 241 00:10:12,862 --> 00:10:14,197 And that was my job. 242 00:10:14,322 --> 00:10:15,949 And that's my story and I'm sticking to it. 243 00:10:16,074 --> 00:10:17,784 Gale Anne Hurd would produce, 244 00:10:17,951 --> 00:10:21,996 and Jim Cameron would direct with one tantalizing sweetener. 245 00:10:22,122 --> 00:10:23,707 He was in love with her 246 00:10:23,832 --> 00:10:27,085 and sold her half the rights for a dollar. 247 00:10:27,210 --> 00:10:29,754 And I remember just thinking, 248 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:31,131 "Is that entirely wise, 249 00:10:31,256 --> 00:10:32,549 do you think?" 250 00:10:35,927 --> 00:10:37,554 A script for "Terminator" had been 251 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,180 developed by Jim Cameron, 252 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:41,683 Bill Wisher and Gale Anne Hurd. 253 00:10:41,808 --> 00:10:44,436 They were a power couple and it was really cool to see. 254 00:10:44,602 --> 00:10:46,896 Jim and Gale were also romancing. 255 00:10:47,022 --> 00:10:48,690 I came across time for you, Sarah. 256 00:10:48,815 --> 00:10:51,192 - What they needed now... - I love you. 257 00:10:51,317 --> 00:10:53,903 - ...was financing. - Is this enough? 258 00:10:54,029 --> 00:10:56,865 {\an8}Jim didn't have any of his own money to put into it. 259 00:10:56,865 --> 00:10:58,533 The movie that could make 260 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:01,870 or break everyone's career needed ignition. 261 00:11:01,995 --> 00:11:05,874 And the key was Barbara Boyle from Orion Pictures. 262 00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:07,709 Gale calls me up and says, 263 00:11:07,834 --> 00:11:10,879 {\an8}"Jim and I have a project. 264 00:11:11,046 --> 00:11:12,547 Can't be with Corman. 265 00:11:12,672 --> 00:11:14,257 It's much too expensive." 266 00:11:14,382 --> 00:11:16,217 And they come in and tell me this story. 267 00:11:16,217 --> 00:11:18,720 And Jim, as you probably know, 268 00:11:18,887 --> 00:11:20,722 is a brilliant writer. 269 00:11:20,847 --> 00:11:22,891 I said, "I love it, I love it, I love it." 270 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,061 This needed to go upstairs to the office 271 00:11:26,061 --> 00:11:29,064 and pocketbook of Mike Medavoy. 272 00:11:29,189 --> 00:11:31,149 He said, "Well, let me meet them. 273 00:11:31,274 --> 00:11:32,901 You know, I don't know them, but of course, 274 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:34,694 I respect you." 275 00:11:34,861 --> 00:11:35,987 I said, "I'm not even gonna tell you the credits 276 00:11:36,112 --> 00:11:37,489 and even if I tell you the credits, 277 00:11:37,655 --> 00:11:39,032 I don't want you to see Jim's film." 278 00:11:39,157 --> 00:11:40,325 That would be the one 279 00:11:40,450 --> 00:11:42,744 Jim was fired from after 12 days. 280 00:11:42,911 --> 00:11:45,622 How could Barbara get Medavoy to bite? 281 00:11:45,747 --> 00:11:47,207 Gale did all the talking. 282 00:11:47,332 --> 00:11:48,958 She told him the story. 283 00:11:49,084 --> 00:11:53,088 And what Jim did was storyboard everything. 284 00:11:53,254 --> 00:11:54,839 His production design, 285 00:11:54,964 --> 00:11:57,258 camera angles and movement 286 00:11:57,425 --> 00:11:59,010 and Medavoy said, "Okay, 287 00:11:59,135 --> 00:12:01,054 I'll read the script. Thank you so much." 288 00:12:01,221 --> 00:12:02,764 And they left. 289 00:12:02,889 --> 00:12:04,766 Everybody expected Mike to think-- 290 00:12:04,933 --> 00:12:06,935 This is insane, this is so cool. 291 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:08,645 It was the crisp writing. 292 00:12:08,770 --> 00:12:10,355 - But-- - Mike comes back to me 293 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,107 and says, "Absolutely no." 294 00:12:12,273 --> 00:12:14,275 No, no, no. 295 00:12:14,275 --> 00:12:15,777 But David Hemmings 296 00:12:15,902 --> 00:12:18,863 and John Daly, AKA Hemdale Films, 297 00:12:18,989 --> 00:12:20,115 might be interested. 298 00:12:20,281 --> 00:12:21,658 Come with me if you wanna live. 299 00:12:21,783 --> 00:12:23,868 Gale Anne Hurd got in their door 300 00:12:23,994 --> 00:12:25,704 by pretending to be interested 301 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:29,874 in buying Hemdale's head of production's desk. 302 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,918 Actor Lance Henricksen turned up 303 00:12:32,043 --> 00:12:36,047 for the resulting pitch meeting in full Terminator costume. 304 00:12:36,214 --> 00:12:38,008 {\an8}There is artwork to show it. 305 00:12:38,133 --> 00:12:40,427 There is Lance as the Terminator. 306 00:12:40,552 --> 00:12:43,263 I think they were using it for pitch opportunities. 307 00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:45,140 Hemmings and Daly were sold 308 00:12:45,265 --> 00:12:46,766 for the bargain price of-- 309 00:12:46,933 --> 00:12:48,727 $6.4 million. 310 00:12:48,852 --> 00:12:50,186 {\an8}It was just in the range of the money 311 00:12:50,311 --> 00:12:51,813 {\an8}that they had that they wanted to spend. 312 00:12:51,980 --> 00:12:53,315 {\an8}They were scared of Jim, 313 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,191 {\an8}I will say that right from the beginning, 314 00:12:55,317 --> 00:12:56,818 {\an8}'cause they were. 315 00:12:56,943 --> 00:12:59,237 This was his debut and I love him dearly, 316 00:12:59,362 --> 00:13:01,156 but he is tough to work with 317 00:13:01,156 --> 00:13:03,158 'cause he's so organized in his own mind. 318 00:13:03,325 --> 00:13:05,118 {\an8}That he was very self-confident. 319 00:13:05,243 --> 00:13:07,162 {\an8}He was like 25 years old 320 00:13:07,162 --> 00:13:08,913 {\an8}and ready to take on the world. 321 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,082 He gave them pause, 322 00:13:11,207 --> 00:13:12,792 but it all worked out in the end. 323 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:15,253 Then I went back to Medavoy and I said, 324 00:13:15,420 --> 00:13:17,589 "They've got the whole thing financed 325 00:13:17,756 --> 00:13:19,382 and I wanna distribute it." 326 00:13:19,507 --> 00:13:21,092 He said, "You better talk to Arthur." 327 00:13:21,217 --> 00:13:23,178 That would be Arthur Krim, 328 00:13:23,345 --> 00:13:25,388 chair of Orion Pictures 329 00:13:25,513 --> 00:13:28,183 who didn't like the script at all. 330 00:13:28,183 --> 00:13:30,101 I said, "Okay, okay, 331 00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:33,730 but there's absolutely no commitment to even spend a dime, 332 00:13:33,855 --> 00:13:36,900 but I'm telling you I wanna do this movie." 333 00:13:37,025 --> 00:13:38,401 He said, "Okay, 334 00:13:38,526 --> 00:13:40,070 if it's nothing but distribution rights, 335 00:13:40,195 --> 00:13:42,947 we'll release it in a very limited way." 336 00:13:43,073 --> 00:13:45,825 So who would play the Terminator? 337 00:13:45,992 --> 00:13:49,120 {\an8}Lance Henricksen really wanted to be the Terminator. 338 00:13:49,245 --> 00:13:51,206 He came from "Piranha 2." 339 00:13:51,206 --> 00:13:55,001 Jim really felt like Lance saved his bacon on that movie 340 00:13:55,168 --> 00:13:57,754 and wanted Lance to play the Terminator. 341 00:13:57,879 --> 00:14:00,340 But Hemdale shut down that idea. 342 00:14:00,507 --> 00:14:02,801 The studio didn't think Lance had a name. 343 00:14:02,926 --> 00:14:04,886 So they started searching around. 344 00:14:05,053 --> 00:14:07,764 One name was suggested but terminated. 345 00:14:07,889 --> 00:14:10,225 This was before OJ got into trouble, 346 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:12,727 but he was another one that was flirting 347 00:14:12,894 --> 00:14:14,145 with the film industry 348 00:14:14,270 --> 00:14:16,898 after his very brilliant sports career. 349 00:14:17,023 --> 00:14:18,400 And Arnold was like this. 350 00:14:18,525 --> 00:14:20,985 Various actors were in the mix and Hemdale, 351 00:14:21,111 --> 00:14:23,071 they wanted Arnold to play the part 352 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,740 that Michael Biehn ended up with, Kyle Reese, 353 00:14:25,907 --> 00:14:29,077 and Jim hated that idea. 354 00:14:29,202 --> 00:14:32,288 {\an8}I was around when Arnold first heard of "The Terminator" 355 00:14:32,414 --> 00:14:34,290 {\an8}before he read the script or he met Cameron, 356 00:14:34,416 --> 00:14:36,167 {\an8}which he was reluctant to do 357 00:14:36,292 --> 00:14:38,003 {\an8}'cause it was a low budget film. 358 00:14:38,128 --> 00:14:40,839 {\an8}"Why do I want to go down when I could go up? 359 00:14:41,005 --> 00:14:42,298 {\an8}And this is what? 360 00:14:42,424 --> 00:14:43,967 Some robot story, it just sounds like--" 361 00:14:44,092 --> 00:14:45,385 I think the word he said, 362 00:14:45,510 --> 00:14:47,303 "It just sounds shitty." 363 00:14:47,429 --> 00:14:49,514 Jim's like, "I have to go have lunch 364 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:50,765 with Arnold Schwarzenegger today 365 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:51,933 and pick a fight with him. 366 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:54,269 'Cause I can't say no. 367 00:14:54,269 --> 00:14:56,187 So I have to make him hate me. 368 00:14:56,312 --> 00:14:57,856 So he'll say no." 369 00:14:57,981 --> 00:14:59,399 And that was the politics of it. 370 00:14:59,566 --> 00:15:01,860 And I said, "Good luck." 371 00:15:01,985 --> 00:15:03,278 Over the wine list, 372 00:15:03,278 --> 00:15:05,196 Arnold looked Jim square in the eye 373 00:15:05,322 --> 00:15:08,116 and in a heavy Austrian accent said-- 374 00:15:08,283 --> 00:15:10,410 "I don't wanna play Kyle Reese. 375 00:15:10,535 --> 00:15:13,079 I wanna play the Terminator." 376 00:15:13,204 --> 00:15:14,831 And Jim starts thinking real quick and he's like, 377 00:15:14,956 --> 00:15:17,042 "Well, that doesn't make any sense at all." 378 00:15:17,167 --> 00:15:20,879 The idea was a slight-build guy, 379 00:15:21,004 --> 00:15:23,465 nondescript, who could infiltrate. 380 00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:25,467 He's supposed to be an infiltration unit 381 00:15:25,467 --> 00:15:28,219 and here's this 6'2" Austrian 382 00:15:28,345 --> 00:15:30,138 with a thick accent. 383 00:15:30,138 --> 00:15:31,389 He goes, "Well yeah, 384 00:15:31,514 --> 00:15:33,391 I know it doesn't make any sense, 385 00:15:33,516 --> 00:15:35,977 but he's such a strong presence. 386 00:15:37,562 --> 00:15:39,439 That's gonna work." 387 00:15:39,564 --> 00:15:41,358 So Jim said, "Done." 388 00:15:41,483 --> 00:15:45,320 They came away from that lunch loving each other. 389 00:15:45,445 --> 00:15:46,571 I love you too sweetheart. 390 00:15:46,696 --> 00:15:48,406 And if you read the script, 391 00:15:48,573 --> 00:15:53,370 there's very little dialogue that the Terminator says. 392 00:15:53,745 --> 00:15:57,415 The script may have been simple to implement, 393 00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:00,168 but the special effects were going to stretch the budget 394 00:16:00,335 --> 00:16:01,586 to the breaking point. 395 00:16:01,711 --> 00:16:03,171 {\an8}This is a low budget film. 396 00:16:03,338 --> 00:16:05,465 {\an8}I mean $6 million. 2 million for cast, 397 00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:06,591 2 million for shooting, 398 00:16:06,716 --> 00:16:07,842 {\an8}2 million for post. 399 00:16:08,009 --> 00:16:10,178 So really, really tight. 400 00:16:10,303 --> 00:16:11,971 That 2 million for post 401 00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:13,932 had to do a lot of work. 402 00:16:14,057 --> 00:16:15,934 So when it came to special effects, 403 00:16:16,101 --> 00:16:19,938 Cameron would turn to make up guru Dick Smith. 404 00:16:20,063 --> 00:16:21,314 I don't know if Dick really understood 405 00:16:21,439 --> 00:16:23,858 what "The Terminator" was all about. 406 00:16:23,984 --> 00:16:25,985 {\an8}Thus, he recommended Stan Winston 407 00:16:26,111 --> 00:16:27,445 {\an8}because of "Heartbeeps." 408 00:16:27,570 --> 00:16:29,239 We would be mechanically compatible 409 00:16:29,364 --> 00:16:30,865 for many similar functions. 410 00:16:31,032 --> 00:16:32,242 Different kinds of robots. 411 00:16:32,367 --> 00:16:34,202 Of course, whimsical robot makeups. 412 00:16:34,202 --> 00:16:35,829 But that was the cool thing about Stan 413 00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:37,664 is that he had done his own animatronics 414 00:16:37,789 --> 00:16:39,124 for facial expressions. 415 00:16:39,249 --> 00:16:40,542 Gorilla. 416 00:16:40,709 --> 00:16:44,045 But like a chrome full-body rod puppet 417 00:16:44,045 --> 00:16:46,506 and servo-driven skeleton dude 418 00:16:46,673 --> 00:16:47,882 Dude, you know, 419 00:16:48,049 --> 00:16:50,009 nobody had done that. 420 00:16:50,176 --> 00:16:52,220 Joining an ever-growing list of true believers, 421 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:54,472 Stan began assembling his team. 422 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:56,141 Stan never said that it was 423 00:16:56,266 --> 00:16:57,642 for a film called "The Terminator." 424 00:16:57,767 --> 00:17:01,062 He just said that it was a little robot movie. 425 00:17:01,229 --> 00:17:02,605 Jim came in, 426 00:17:02,731 --> 00:17:05,317 I recognized him from Roger Corman's studios. 427 00:17:05,483 --> 00:17:07,402 He did come in with concept drawings 428 00:17:07,402 --> 00:17:10,280 of the Terminator endoskeleton 429 00:17:10,405 --> 00:17:12,240 and they were magnificent. 430 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,492 A lot of people were now hitching their wagons 431 00:17:14,659 --> 00:17:17,037 to Jim and Gale's big idea. 432 00:17:17,203 --> 00:17:18,955 You're trying to do a $20 million film, 433 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,834 which was a big budget film back then for $6 million. 434 00:17:23,001 --> 00:17:24,336 You have all of this action, 435 00:17:24,502 --> 00:17:26,087 which takes time. 436 00:17:26,087 --> 00:17:27,338 Things can go wrong. 437 00:17:27,505 --> 00:17:29,424 You have stunts, people can get hurt. 438 00:17:31,468 --> 00:17:33,094 And you're trying to squeeze 10 pounds of you know what 439 00:17:33,261 --> 00:17:35,013 in a five pound bucket. 440 00:17:35,138 --> 00:17:37,015 And all of this with the specter of unions 441 00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:39,309 hanging over them like a guillotine. 442 00:17:39,434 --> 00:17:41,186 Suddenly you're gonna add another million dollars 443 00:17:41,311 --> 00:17:42,312 or so to the budget. 444 00:17:42,437 --> 00:17:43,938 I did not wanna be union. 445 00:17:47,609 --> 00:17:50,403 Hemdale's David Hemmings and John Daly 446 00:17:50,528 --> 00:17:54,491 coughed up 6.4 million for Schwarzenegger's "Terminator." 447 00:17:54,616 --> 00:17:58,411 But the movie's budget really needed an arm and a leg. 448 00:17:58,578 --> 00:18:00,205 {\an8}Yeah, Hemdale, 449 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:02,374 {\an8}they weren't the most fun people to deal with. 450 00:18:02,499 --> 00:18:04,250 Up-and-comer Donna Smith 451 00:18:04,376 --> 00:18:07,337 is expected to oversee production with an iron fist 452 00:18:07,462 --> 00:18:10,048 to make it work no matter what. 453 00:18:10,173 --> 00:18:11,174 {\an8}They needed to control, 454 00:18:11,299 --> 00:18:12,467 {\an8}they had that word a lot, 455 00:18:12,467 --> 00:18:14,094 {\an8}that we need to control this movie." 456 00:18:14,219 --> 00:18:15,512 Don't move unless I say, 457 00:18:15,637 --> 00:18:17,430 don't make a sound unless I say. 458 00:18:17,597 --> 00:18:19,099 Donna's job was simple. 459 00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:22,394 Make sure Hemdale's $6 million investment 460 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,272 and her relationship with the director didn't blow up. 461 00:18:26,439 --> 00:18:27,649 Jim always calls me Smith. 462 00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:29,275 He never calls me Donna. 463 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,069 "Smith, you gotta do this movie with me." 464 00:18:31,194 --> 00:18:32,612 Gale was the producer. 465 00:18:32,779 --> 00:18:35,323 So we started at her house up on Mulholland Drive. 466 00:18:35,490 --> 00:18:37,409 That's where just the three of us started chatting 467 00:18:37,534 --> 00:18:38,702 about everything we have to do 468 00:18:38,827 --> 00:18:41,162 'cause we had a lot of work to do. 469 00:18:41,162 --> 00:18:43,373 Such as how to stretch the budget. 470 00:18:43,498 --> 00:18:46,543 Could Jim's home country come to the rescue? 471 00:18:46,668 --> 00:18:50,005 It was 76 cents on the dollar in Canada at the time. 472 00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:51,589 But the exchange rate 473 00:18:51,715 --> 00:18:54,551 and the opportunity to run the shoot without unions 474 00:18:54,676 --> 00:18:58,430 could not make up for Canada's harsh winter weather. 475 00:18:58,555 --> 00:19:00,682 Canada just kind of piddled away very early on. 476 00:19:00,807 --> 00:19:03,018 We decided to do it in LA. 477 00:19:03,018 --> 00:19:05,437 Where the intimidating presence of the unions 478 00:19:05,562 --> 00:19:08,523 could completely shut down this low budget movie. 479 00:19:08,648 --> 00:19:10,400 {\an8}Suddenly you're gonna add another million dollars 480 00:19:10,525 --> 00:19:12,068 {\an8}or so to the budget. 481 00:19:12,193 --> 00:19:13,570 We couldn't do this movie with the unions. 482 00:19:13,695 --> 00:19:15,655 And budget was an early flashpoint 483 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:17,324 between Jim and Donna. 484 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:19,200 We were never gonna get any more money. 485 00:19:19,326 --> 00:19:20,660 I told Jim and we had a lot of fights. 486 00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:22,704 We had a lot of, hmm. 487 00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:25,123 Cameron solved the non-union idea 488 00:19:25,248 --> 00:19:26,750 by channeling Roger Corman, 489 00:19:26,875 --> 00:19:29,210 who knew the value of hiring a crew 490 00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:32,422 wanting to earn their stripes, not just money. 491 00:19:32,547 --> 00:19:34,549 I kinda live for that. When things are going really crazy, 492 00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:36,384 I look around and go, Alright now we're having fun. 493 00:19:36,509 --> 00:19:37,802 Let's see what these people are made of." 494 00:19:37,927 --> 00:19:39,512 {\an8}Everybody was in it for the long haul. 495 00:19:41,306 --> 00:19:43,183 The search for a reasonably priced 496 00:19:43,308 --> 00:19:44,726 leading lady was on. 497 00:19:44,851 --> 00:19:46,311 Sarah Connor? 498 00:19:46,436 --> 00:19:47,520 And co-writer Bill Wisher 499 00:19:47,645 --> 00:19:49,689 got back in the frame to help. 500 00:19:49,814 --> 00:19:54,194 Jim had me read for different women who would be Sarah. 501 00:19:54,361 --> 00:19:56,654 Among potentials were Jody Foster, 502 00:19:56,821 --> 00:19:59,074 Gina Davis, Michelle Pfeiffer, 503 00:19:59,074 --> 00:20:00,617 and even Madonna. 504 00:20:00,742 --> 00:20:02,118 Well, maybe I could help you. 505 00:20:02,243 --> 00:20:04,537 Jennifer Jason Leigh was one. 506 00:20:04,704 --> 00:20:06,081 That'd be great. 507 00:20:06,081 --> 00:20:07,707 But one relative unknown 508 00:20:07,832 --> 00:20:10,210 certainly left her calling card. 509 00:20:10,377 --> 00:20:11,503 There was something about Linda. 510 00:20:11,670 --> 00:20:14,339 She just, I don't know, fit it. 511 00:20:14,464 --> 00:20:16,132 Some legend, huh? 512 00:20:16,257 --> 00:20:17,592 Shortly after, 513 00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:19,761 the legend of Michael Biehn would begin. 514 00:20:19,761 --> 00:20:21,429 And Michael Biehn showed up. 515 00:20:21,554 --> 00:20:23,765 He had a walk-on in "Grease," 516 00:20:23,765 --> 00:20:25,850 stalked Lauren Bacall in "The Fan," 517 00:20:25,975 --> 00:20:28,561 and a supporting role in "Lords of Discipline." 518 00:20:28,728 --> 00:20:30,355 You gotta be careful. 519 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,482 - But on the day of his read... - For Kyle Reese. 520 00:20:32,607 --> 00:20:35,193 ...Biehn saw Bill with Sarah Connor hopefuls 521 00:20:35,318 --> 00:20:36,736 and saw red. 522 00:20:36,861 --> 00:20:38,530 He says, "I took one look at you and I thought, 523 00:20:38,655 --> 00:20:40,407 that guy looks like Kyle Reese. 524 00:20:40,532 --> 00:20:42,617 I don't think I'm happy about that." 525 00:20:42,617 --> 00:20:44,160 Jim explained, "No, no, no. 526 00:20:44,285 --> 00:20:45,662 Just helping me read the women." 527 00:20:45,787 --> 00:20:48,373 And Michael was like, "Okay, good." 528 00:20:48,957 --> 00:20:52,127 Michael Biehn landed the role of Kyle Reese 529 00:20:52,252 --> 00:20:54,295 and while Lance Henrickson would miss out 530 00:20:54,295 --> 00:20:55,755 on the Terminator, 531 00:20:55,922 --> 00:20:57,716 he'd be happy to play Detective Vukovich. 532 00:20:57,841 --> 00:20:59,592 This is fucking great. 533 00:20:59,718 --> 00:21:00,885 And of course, 534 00:21:01,010 --> 00:21:02,512 Lance and James Cameron ended up having 535 00:21:02,637 --> 00:21:04,139 a long history working together. 536 00:21:04,264 --> 00:21:06,516 - You did okay. - I did. 537 00:21:06,641 --> 00:21:08,435 Principal roles cast, 538 00:21:08,601 --> 00:21:12,230 pre-production tasks like makeup trials could begin. 539 00:21:12,355 --> 00:21:16,359 Jeff Dawn was the makeup artist on set 540 00:21:16,484 --> 00:21:18,361 to apply the makeups on Arnold. 541 00:21:18,486 --> 00:21:20,488 So I go in and I interviewed with Stan Winston. 542 00:21:20,488 --> 00:21:22,741 Stan Winston was our makeup designer. 543 00:21:22,866 --> 00:21:26,286 He said, "We're doing a test on Arnold here at my studio." 544 00:21:26,453 --> 00:21:29,456 He comes in, "Everybody, you look fantastic." 545 00:21:29,622 --> 00:21:31,458 {\an8}It was incredible to meet him at that time 546 00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:34,127 because he was in Conan physique. 547 00:21:34,294 --> 00:21:36,337 We were gonna put a little foam latex cover 548 00:21:36,337 --> 00:21:37,797 that makes it look like you don't have eyebrows. 549 00:21:37,922 --> 00:21:39,466 Wait, what? 550 00:21:39,591 --> 00:21:42,177 Why did the Terminator lose his eyebrows? 551 00:21:42,177 --> 00:21:43,678 Out in the alley, 552 00:21:43,678 --> 00:21:47,766 he jumps on the car and the fire singes his hair 553 00:21:47,891 --> 00:21:49,517 and burns his eyebrows off. 554 00:21:49,642 --> 00:21:51,644 Now we're getting into some makeup look. 555 00:21:51,811 --> 00:21:54,481 He sits in the chair, all the stuff is laid out. 556 00:21:54,606 --> 00:21:56,441 I didn't bring anything I was gonna watch. 557 00:21:56,566 --> 00:21:57,567 Nobody's touching him. 558 00:21:57,692 --> 00:21:59,235 Well, who would? 559 00:21:59,361 --> 00:22:00,862 Brave Jeff made his move. 560 00:22:00,862 --> 00:22:02,322 I'm gonna jump in and do it. 561 00:22:02,489 --> 00:22:03,948 Now yell if it hurts. 562 00:22:04,074 --> 00:22:05,742 I think it was a test with Stan 563 00:22:05,867 --> 00:22:07,160 'cause I did it and he said, 564 00:22:07,327 --> 00:22:08,453 "Hey, I kinda watched you do that? 565 00:22:08,578 --> 00:22:09,829 And that turned out really good." 566 00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:13,333 The pressure immediately went up 567 00:22:13,458 --> 00:22:17,295 when Linda decided she'd take a break before filming. 568 00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:19,214 Not that kind of break. 569 00:22:19,214 --> 00:22:21,716 Linda had twisted her ankle before we started the film 570 00:22:21,716 --> 00:22:23,426 and one of the first scenes we did 571 00:22:23,551 --> 00:22:24,928 was riding the motorcycle. 572 00:22:25,053 --> 00:22:26,638 'Cause she could do that easily. 573 00:22:26,763 --> 00:22:28,598 And a few weeks later she was strong enough 574 00:22:28,723 --> 00:22:30,683 - to start running. - Run. 575 00:22:30,809 --> 00:22:32,310 After only a week, 576 00:22:32,435 --> 00:22:34,479 production shifted to long night shoots 577 00:22:34,604 --> 00:22:36,523 and even longer weeks. 578 00:22:36,690 --> 00:22:37,732 We started big, baby. 579 00:22:37,899 --> 00:22:38,858 We started big. 580 00:22:39,025 --> 00:22:40,819 It was a really big night. 581 00:22:40,944 --> 00:22:42,195 We had the observatory for, 582 00:22:42,362 --> 00:22:43,738 you know, just so long. 583 00:22:43,905 --> 00:22:45,323 Where Jim Cameron's colleague 584 00:22:45,448 --> 00:22:46,741 from the Roger Corman days, 585 00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:49,411 Bill Paxton, would steal the scene. 586 00:22:49,536 --> 00:22:50,620 Jim was like, "Yeah, just punk him out." 587 00:22:50,745 --> 00:22:51,788 I was like, "Okay." 588 00:22:51,913 --> 00:22:54,374 So we spiked his hair and-- 589 00:22:54,499 --> 00:22:57,001 Hey, I think this guy's a couple cans short of a six-pack. 590 00:22:57,127 --> 00:22:59,379 So I just painted a tire track across his face. 591 00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:00,880 Jim loved it. 592 00:23:01,006 --> 00:23:01,965 It wouldn't be just the makeup 593 00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:03,717 that made Paxton stand out. 594 00:23:03,883 --> 00:23:06,928 Jim recognized his obvious talent casting him later 595 00:23:07,095 --> 00:23:09,556 in another Schwarzenegger-Cameron project, 596 00:23:09,723 --> 00:23:10,724 "True Lies." 597 00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:12,600 Oh God, oh, please don't. 598 00:23:12,726 --> 00:23:14,561 Don't, don't, don't kill me. 599 00:23:14,686 --> 00:23:16,354 Bill was punked up. 600 00:23:16,479 --> 00:23:19,733 - Fuck you, asshole. - But then Jeff looked down. 601 00:23:19,858 --> 00:23:22,569 And Arnold arrives naked, of course, he's the Terminator. 602 00:23:24,779 --> 00:23:26,614 Well, Arnold Schwarzenegger has a tan line. 603 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:28,325 Terminators don't have tan lines. 604 00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:29,576 So here I am in the makeup trailer, 605 00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:31,578 just Arnold and myself. He's buck naked. 606 00:23:31,745 --> 00:23:33,788 I'm on my knees painting his ass and his hips 607 00:23:33,913 --> 00:23:36,374 to match the rest of him. 608 00:23:36,499 --> 00:23:37,625 "Hey Arnold, how's your family?" 609 00:23:37,625 --> 00:23:39,836 You know? 610 00:23:39,961 --> 00:23:41,546 Nice night for a walk, eh? 611 00:23:41,671 --> 00:23:43,423 Arnold has no problems walking around naked. 612 00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:45,258 He's a very confident guy. 613 00:23:45,425 --> 00:23:47,594 Like Jeff, stunt coordinator Ken Fritz 614 00:23:47,719 --> 00:23:49,012 would look the other way 615 00:23:49,137 --> 00:23:51,723 when Arnold was in his birthday suit. 616 00:23:51,848 --> 00:23:54,517 {\an8}All those unnecessary people were cleared from the set. 617 00:23:54,642 --> 00:23:56,811 {\an8}There's a wall there, and all the females... 618 00:23:56,811 --> 00:23:58,813 Sit down, you're going to love this. 619 00:23:58,813 --> 00:24:01,608 They started giggling when Arnold took his, 620 00:24:01,733 --> 00:24:02,734 you know, robe off. 621 00:24:02,859 --> 00:24:03,777 And it was a cool night. 622 00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:05,445 Not a night to be naked. 623 00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:07,447 Why were the girls giggling? 624 00:24:07,572 --> 00:24:09,532 Can we take the Fifth on that? 625 00:24:09,657 --> 00:24:11,534 Whatever the weather, 626 00:24:11,660 --> 00:24:14,746 Arnold certainly loved hanging out with the crew that is. 627 00:24:14,871 --> 00:24:17,040 Well, Arnold is playful. 628 00:24:17,165 --> 00:24:19,542 Because we were working nights, it was cold. 629 00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:20,794 Freezing. 630 00:24:20,919 --> 00:24:22,379 Girls are always standing around, 631 00:24:22,504 --> 00:24:23,963 when we're cold, we kind of-- 632 00:24:24,089 --> 00:24:25,632 We just do that. 633 00:24:25,757 --> 00:24:27,008 And Arnold would come 634 00:24:27,008 --> 00:24:28,968 and put his arms around the back of you and say, 635 00:24:29,094 --> 00:24:30,929 "Oh, here, I will help warm you up." 636 00:24:31,054 --> 00:24:33,431 This is why it's nice to make films like this. 637 00:24:33,556 --> 00:24:35,725 Arnold was very accessible. 638 00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:37,769 He had a confidence 639 00:24:37,894 --> 00:24:40,730 because he had already accomplished so much in his life. 640 00:24:40,855 --> 00:24:42,524 Jim on the other hand, 641 00:24:42,524 --> 00:24:44,818 was just starting his career as a director. 642 00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:46,403 I always told him, I said, 643 00:24:46,528 --> 00:24:47,696 "You're gonna become Jim Cameron. 644 00:24:47,821 --> 00:24:49,364 But right now you're not. 645 00:24:49,364 --> 00:24:51,491 And we've got this much money and this schedule 646 00:24:51,658 --> 00:24:52,992 and we're sticking to it." 647 00:24:53,159 --> 00:24:54,536 Donna was talking like a boss 648 00:24:54,536 --> 00:24:56,788 because she was Jim's boss. 649 00:24:56,913 --> 00:24:59,124 As a studio representative on location, 650 00:24:59,249 --> 00:25:01,418 she began challenging Jim's 651 00:25:01,543 --> 00:25:03,920 get the shot at all cost approach. 652 00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:05,046 And action. 653 00:25:05,171 --> 00:25:06,464 We did a shot and he said, 654 00:25:06,589 --> 00:25:07,674 "That was perfect, 655 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:08,842 let's do it again." 656 00:25:09,009 --> 00:25:10,719 Do it a little faster too. 657 00:25:10,885 --> 00:25:12,470 And so the crew is kind of scrambling to just do it. 658 00:25:12,595 --> 00:25:14,681 And I said, "Nah, Jim, 659 00:25:14,848 --> 00:25:16,391 we have to have a talk. 660 00:25:16,391 --> 00:25:17,600 We can go behind the trucks and talk, 661 00:25:17,726 --> 00:25:19,352 whichever way you want it. 662 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:21,604 And I said, "When you call a shot that was perfect. 663 00:25:21,730 --> 00:25:23,606 You cannot call, 'Let's do it again.'" 664 00:25:23,732 --> 00:25:25,525 And I just said, "Ladies and gentlemen, 665 00:25:25,650 --> 00:25:27,068 that was perfect. Move on." 666 00:25:27,193 --> 00:25:28,862 Conversation terminated 667 00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:30,947 and everything was roses. 668 00:25:31,072 --> 00:25:32,699 - Or was it? - He hated me. 669 00:25:32,866 --> 00:25:35,577 I mean, that was not easy. 670 00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:37,370 It was a very tough time between us 671 00:25:37,537 --> 00:25:39,164 'cause it happened in front of the crew. 672 00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:42,083 Donna decided on a peace offering of clothes? 673 00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,669 So the next day I had a T-shirt made up 674 00:25:44,794 --> 00:25:46,671 and on the front it said, "That was perfect. 675 00:25:46,796 --> 00:25:48,131 Let's do it again." 676 00:25:48,256 --> 00:25:49,924 So I gave it to Jim in front of the crew. 677 00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:51,760 He held it up, he looked at it and I thought, 678 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,595 "Oh, he's gonna come give me a hug." 679 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,055 Your clothes. 680 00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:56,181 He wadded it, 681 00:25:56,306 --> 00:25:57,557 he threw it down. 682 00:25:59,184 --> 00:26:00,977 I thought, "Oh, that didn't go so well. 683 00:26:01,644 --> 00:26:04,189 So, that kind of thing happened with us a lot. 684 00:26:10,195 --> 00:26:11,738 Despite tensions 685 00:26:11,863 --> 00:26:13,448 between production manager Donna Smith 686 00:26:13,573 --> 00:26:15,116 and Director Jim Cameron, 687 00:26:15,241 --> 00:26:18,828 "Terminator" would have to be shot in just 10 weeks. 688 00:26:18,953 --> 00:26:20,622 {\an8}That was a big, big thing with me 689 00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:22,624 {\an8}to bring it in on budget and on time. 690 00:26:23,458 --> 00:26:25,794 Novice director Cameron decided 691 00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:28,755 now was the time to invent a whole new genre 692 00:26:28,922 --> 00:26:30,382 of movie making. 693 00:26:30,507 --> 00:26:31,716 {\an8}And I said, "This is gonna be 694 00:26:31,841 --> 00:26:33,760 {\an8}a terrific science fiction film." 695 00:26:33,885 --> 00:26:35,011 And he said, "Barbara, 696 00:26:35,136 --> 00:26:36,888 this is not science fiction. 697 00:26:37,013 --> 00:26:40,975 I am creating my own genre. It's a tech noir." 698 00:26:40,975 --> 00:26:43,478 I'm at this place called "Tech Noir." 699 00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:45,980 And this pivotal scene where Connor, 700 00:26:45,980 --> 00:26:49,025 Reese and the Terminator would engage 701 00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:50,735 was the perfect opportunity 702 00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:54,531 to put this exciting new genre up in lights. 703 00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:56,408 We had the Tech Noir sign made. 704 00:26:56,533 --> 00:26:59,703 I'd never had a neon sign made for any movie before. 705 00:26:59,828 --> 00:27:01,830 You know, it was going to cost this much 706 00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:03,623 and I thought it would cost that much. 707 00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:05,834 That's the kind of thing that would hurt the budget. 708 00:27:05,834 --> 00:27:07,836 To make up any shortfall, 709 00:27:08,002 --> 00:27:11,423 the production would rent the worst space in town. 710 00:27:11,548 --> 00:27:15,844 {\an8}It was a rat infested old restaurant that had closed down. 711 00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:17,887 {\an8}Props people did a very impressive job 712 00:27:18,012 --> 00:27:19,764 {\an8}making it look like real. 713 00:27:19,931 --> 00:27:22,183 It looked like a happening place you'd like to go into. 714 00:27:22,308 --> 00:27:23,685 A couple of 'em snuck in 715 00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:25,437 and we got free extras out of it. 716 00:27:25,562 --> 00:27:27,605 If the unions heard about that-- 717 00:27:29,357 --> 00:27:32,652 This scene would actually go on to set the standard 718 00:27:32,777 --> 00:27:36,656 for action editing and action writing for years to come. 719 00:27:36,781 --> 00:27:40,076 And it became the touchstone for many filmmakers. 720 00:27:40,201 --> 00:27:41,828 In that sequence, 721 00:27:41,953 --> 00:27:45,498 we had a number of stunt people around the actors. 722 00:27:48,752 --> 00:27:50,170 And so when they're running out, 723 00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:52,172 you know, to get away, 724 00:27:52,297 --> 00:27:54,924 you have Sarah running and you had just the regular extras 725 00:27:55,050 --> 00:27:57,635 in and around the stunt people and it was seamless. 726 00:27:57,761 --> 00:27:59,095 You couldn't tell the difference. 727 00:27:59,220 --> 00:28:01,181 Because even running was a stunt 728 00:28:01,306 --> 00:28:02,807 on a set like this. 729 00:28:02,932 --> 00:28:04,976 I had to worry about metal tables 730 00:28:05,101 --> 00:28:07,228 and they were sharp as razors. 731 00:28:07,354 --> 00:28:08,897 Getting into Tech Noir 732 00:28:09,022 --> 00:28:11,650 was a lot easier than getting out for Ken. 733 00:28:11,816 --> 00:28:13,735 I remember going through that window quite well. 734 00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:15,528 What they did is they squibbed the window 735 00:28:15,653 --> 00:28:17,989 and then when you go to the window as a stuntman, 736 00:28:18,114 --> 00:28:21,701 it actually crushes before you go out of it. 737 00:28:24,204 --> 00:28:25,747 So the only thing you have to worry about 738 00:28:25,872 --> 00:28:27,749 is your hands getting cut up and stuff. 739 00:28:27,749 --> 00:28:29,542 I loved working at Tech Noir. 740 00:28:29,667 --> 00:28:31,753 I've done dozens and dozens of nightclub scenes 741 00:28:31,753 --> 00:28:33,588 since then, including shoot-ups, 742 00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:36,508 {\an8}that was the one that put it on the map for me. 743 00:28:36,633 --> 00:28:37,926 {\an8}I remember at the end of the film, 744 00:28:37,926 --> 00:28:40,220 {\an8}James Cameron took the Tech Noir sign 745 00:28:40,387 --> 00:28:42,555 and gave it to Gale Anne Hurd as a gift. 746 00:28:42,681 --> 00:28:45,266 I hope she has that in her office someplace still. 747 00:28:45,809 --> 00:28:48,019 Before long Arnold Schwarzenegger 748 00:28:48,144 --> 00:28:50,188 would come face-to-face with the actor 749 00:28:50,313 --> 00:28:53,108 whose screen debut gave rise to 750 00:28:53,274 --> 00:28:56,111 the very character he was playing now. 751 00:28:56,111 --> 00:28:58,905 {\an8}Jim says, "Why don't you play the cop 752 00:28:59,072 --> 00:29:01,700 {\an8}that Arnold steals the police car from?" 753 00:29:01,866 --> 00:29:03,284 So I said, "Sure." 754 00:29:03,451 --> 00:29:05,203 Just like "Xenogenesis," 755 00:29:05,328 --> 00:29:06,955 Bill was walking into yet 756 00:29:07,122 --> 00:29:10,333 another risky confrontation with a killer robot. 757 00:29:10,458 --> 00:29:13,712 He was supposed to smash my head into the car 758 00:29:13,878 --> 00:29:16,673 and then fling me sort of over his shoulder. 759 00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:18,591 And you go like this here. 760 00:29:18,717 --> 00:29:19,884 - I like that. - And I landed 761 00:29:20,051 --> 00:29:22,220 and just skidded across the asphalt. 762 00:29:22,345 --> 00:29:24,055 Oh god. 763 00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:26,016 I got a round of applause from the stunt team. 764 00:29:26,141 --> 00:29:29,060 And I thought, "God, I hope they got that on camera." 765 00:29:32,814 --> 00:29:33,857 No. 766 00:29:35,358 --> 00:29:37,777 Smash, out of frame. 767 00:29:38,903 --> 00:29:42,073 Shooting would also continue at breakneck pace, 768 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,908 but not always with cameras. 769 00:29:44,075 --> 00:29:45,660 You could hear other gunshots going 770 00:29:45,827 --> 00:29:47,120 and people getting shot 771 00:29:47,287 --> 00:29:48,955 and all this stuff going on all around. 772 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,582 'Cause in those days, 773 00:29:50,749 --> 00:29:52,250 downtown wasn't gentrified. 774 00:29:52,375 --> 00:29:54,627 It wasn't just the shooting guns, 775 00:29:54,753 --> 00:29:56,004 it was the shooting up. 776 00:29:56,171 --> 00:29:57,630 Needles, all of that. 777 00:29:57,797 --> 00:29:58,798 Nasty, smelly, 778 00:29:58,965 --> 00:30:00,175 urine, feces. 779 00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:03,762 Rats and garbage and condoms and-- 780 00:30:03,887 --> 00:30:06,306 It was actually where all the homeless people lived. 781 00:30:06,473 --> 00:30:08,600 They loved that we had this table of food. 782 00:30:08,767 --> 00:30:10,101 Well, they didn't know what it was, 783 00:30:10,268 --> 00:30:11,603 but they would come and just take everything. 784 00:30:11,770 --> 00:30:13,855 But Tech Noir guerrilla filmmaking 785 00:30:13,855 --> 00:30:16,191 isn't possible on an empty stomach. 786 00:30:16,316 --> 00:30:19,319 So Donna marched up to the de facto leader 787 00:30:19,444 --> 00:30:21,404 of the unhoused, Fats. 788 00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:23,073 And I said, "Can I hire you? 789 00:30:23,198 --> 00:30:24,699 I wanna hire you 790 00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:26,326 to take care of this table from now on? 791 00:30:26,451 --> 00:30:29,037 I want these other people to have some food also. 792 00:30:29,162 --> 00:30:31,790 But you get to regulate it and you'll get a salary." 793 00:30:31,956 --> 00:30:34,125 And he went, "Yeah, I'll do that." 794 00:30:34,292 --> 00:30:36,920 So Jim, once he met Fats, he just loved Fats. 795 00:30:37,045 --> 00:30:38,213 So now he says, 796 00:30:38,338 --> 00:30:40,006 "You're gonna be the truck driver." 797 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,052 So here Fats is now in the truck 798 00:30:44,052 --> 00:30:45,720 opening the whole bloody movie. 799 00:30:45,845 --> 00:30:47,138 What the hell? 800 00:30:47,263 --> 00:30:48,306 And that's where he came from. 801 00:30:48,431 --> 00:30:49,891 Just one of the street people 802 00:30:50,058 --> 00:30:52,185 hired to watch the craft service table. 803 00:30:52,352 --> 00:30:53,353 He was a real character. 804 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,146 What the hell? 805 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,983 Chino 'Fats' Williams wouldn't be the only walk-on actor. 806 00:30:59,109 --> 00:31:01,236 Hemdale's completion bond rep. 807 00:31:01,361 --> 00:31:04,155 would be roped into play a desk sergeant. 808 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,158 Unfortunately he had a different personality of, you know, 809 00:31:07,283 --> 00:31:09,994 kind of militant and "I'm here to straighten things out 810 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,329 and smack you all around." 811 00:31:11,454 --> 00:31:13,373 And then Arnold said-- 812 00:31:13,540 --> 00:31:14,874 I'll be back. 813 00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:16,334 And then the rep was dispatched 814 00:31:16,459 --> 00:31:18,837 with the same cold efficiency. 815 00:31:19,003 --> 00:31:20,296 That's part of our culture. 816 00:31:20,422 --> 00:31:21,923 Everybody knows that line. 817 00:31:22,048 --> 00:31:23,174 Everybody does. 818 00:31:23,299 --> 00:31:25,760 But it was almost not that line. 819 00:31:25,927 --> 00:31:28,179 {\an8}Arnold wanted to say, 820 00:31:28,304 --> 00:31:30,098 {\an8}"I will be back." 821 00:31:30,223 --> 00:31:33,059 And James Cameron said, "No, it's, 'I'll be back.'" 822 00:31:33,184 --> 00:31:35,395 And James Cameron had to say, 823 00:31:35,562 --> 00:31:36,938 "Writer, actor, 824 00:31:37,105 --> 00:31:38,356 read line." 825 00:31:39,774 --> 00:31:41,026 James was in control, 826 00:31:41,192 --> 00:31:43,778 but pushing the crew and the actors to the limit 827 00:31:43,945 --> 00:31:45,447 to achieve his vision. 828 00:31:45,572 --> 00:31:47,365 What he put Linda through, 829 00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:49,200 there was a love-hate relationship. 830 00:31:49,326 --> 00:31:50,702 She would hang on me 831 00:31:50,869 --> 00:31:52,495 and just cry and cry and cry and say, 832 00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:56,082 "He likes the machines more than he likes the actors." 833 00:31:56,249 --> 00:31:57,876 That's just the truth. 834 00:31:58,043 --> 00:31:59,169 I mean she was very, very exhausted 835 00:31:59,294 --> 00:32:00,462 and Jim would be, 836 00:32:00,587 --> 00:32:01,880 "We gotta do it some more. 837 00:32:02,005 --> 00:32:03,131 You know, Linda, give me this, 838 00:32:03,256 --> 00:32:04,716 give me that." 839 00:32:04,841 --> 00:32:08,053 And she was all blood, sweat and tears. 840 00:32:08,178 --> 00:32:11,306 I mean, 18 hour days for us was normal on that. 841 00:32:11,431 --> 00:32:14,267 I'd probably get home around 8:00 or 9:00, 842 00:32:14,434 --> 00:32:16,770 sleep for three hours and get up and go. 843 00:32:16,936 --> 00:32:18,938 That was it. Like three hours. 844 00:32:20,982 --> 00:32:22,400 The crew were clearly at breaking point, 845 00:32:22,525 --> 00:32:25,320 the perfect time for the union to step in. 846 00:32:25,487 --> 00:32:28,073 As in all films in LA, 847 00:32:28,198 --> 00:32:30,158 the union is there watching you. 848 00:32:30,325 --> 00:32:33,411 It's pretty hard to hide an independent production 849 00:32:33,536 --> 00:32:35,455 for eight weeks shooting in LA. 850 00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:37,290 We were all non-union. 851 00:32:37,415 --> 00:32:38,750 They came to the set, 852 00:32:38,875 --> 00:32:40,502 said we're here to shut this down. 853 00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:42,879 And it was very gnarly. 854 00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:45,006 And I said, "You can talk to the crew 855 00:32:45,131 --> 00:32:47,300 and try to unionize them. You've got five minutes." 856 00:32:47,425 --> 00:32:49,928 And they said, "No, we'll take as long as we need, sis." 857 00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:55,183 {\an8}In early 1984, filming "Terminator" 858 00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:58,019 {\an8}on the mean streets of LA was dirty... 859 00:32:58,144 --> 00:33:00,772 One of our set dressers got blood poisoning. 860 00:33:00,939 --> 00:33:02,524 ...drug fueled... 861 00:33:02,649 --> 00:33:05,235 It was actually where all the homeless people lived. 862 00:33:05,402 --> 00:33:08,446 - ...and dangerous. - Arnold shot me. 863 00:33:09,155 --> 00:33:11,825 Plenty of ammunition for unions 864 00:33:11,950 --> 00:33:14,327 to convince the production it was time to sign up. 865 00:33:14,494 --> 00:33:15,954 So the crew had gathered 866 00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:17,414 {\an8}and the union guys gave their speech about, 867 00:33:17,539 --> 00:33:18,873 {\an8}"You really should be union 868 00:33:18,999 --> 00:33:20,959 {\an8}and this is why," and everything. 869 00:33:21,084 --> 00:33:22,502 Unionizing the crew meant 870 00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:25,797 there wouldn't be enough money to finish the film. 871 00:33:25,922 --> 00:33:27,841 James stood up and said, "Look it, guys, 872 00:33:27,966 --> 00:33:29,467 {\an8}this has been my baby. 873 00:33:29,634 --> 00:33:32,846 {\an8}This has been something I've worked hard for for years. 874 00:33:33,012 --> 00:33:33,972 If we go union, 875 00:33:34,097 --> 00:33:35,306 we will have to shut down 876 00:33:35,432 --> 00:33:37,058 because we don't have the budget." 877 00:33:37,183 --> 00:33:38,935 James said, "I'm asking everybody, 878 00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:40,353 let's just get through this. 879 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,313 Let's do this non-union like we're doing. 880 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,941 Finish it with this wonderful crew 881 00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:46,401 and be proud of this movie." 882 00:33:46,526 --> 00:33:47,819 So the crew needed to decide 883 00:33:47,944 --> 00:33:50,238 between the union or the movie. 884 00:33:50,405 --> 00:33:52,157 They couldn't have both. 885 00:33:52,282 --> 00:33:53,825 We all got in the union later on. 886 00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:56,244 But I'm glad to this day that I followed my heart 887 00:33:56,411 --> 00:33:59,247 and we all did in that room and stayed non-union. 888 00:33:59,247 --> 00:34:01,249 Dwindling amounts of time and money 889 00:34:01,416 --> 00:34:03,501 would be harnessed to drive innovation. 890 00:34:03,626 --> 00:34:06,087 One of the many obstacles to overcome 891 00:34:06,254 --> 00:34:10,050 had to take place in just a few frames. 892 00:34:10,175 --> 00:34:11,217 {\an8}Well, I tried to put my fist, 893 00:34:11,384 --> 00:34:13,053 {\an8}I almost broke my hand. 894 00:34:13,219 --> 00:34:14,346 {\an8}It didn't work. 895 00:34:14,471 --> 00:34:16,097 Jim Cameron came up with a device. 896 00:34:16,264 --> 00:34:19,142 We put an air ram up Arnold's sleeve. 897 00:34:19,267 --> 00:34:21,227 So when Arnold, he just had to go like this 898 00:34:21,394 --> 00:34:24,397 and this air ram would put the hole through the windshield. 899 00:34:26,483 --> 00:34:28,068 The background had to be moving. 900 00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:30,445 So we put a block wall inside of a semi 901 00:34:30,612 --> 00:34:33,365 and had the semi go really slow in the background. 902 00:34:34,491 --> 00:34:35,992 From that point on, 903 00:34:36,117 --> 00:34:37,869 I started making him look more and more pale 904 00:34:38,036 --> 00:34:40,246 because terminators lose their source of blood. 905 00:34:40,372 --> 00:34:41,873 I had K-Y jelly on him 906 00:34:41,998 --> 00:34:43,375 and I would keep him shiny 907 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:44,959 'cause it needed to look like plastic. 908 00:34:44,959 --> 00:34:46,211 Necessity continued 909 00:34:46,378 --> 00:34:48,296 to be the lube of invention 910 00:34:48,421 --> 00:34:49,881 as good looking Arnold... 911 00:34:50,006 --> 00:34:53,551 {\an8}Beautiful Austrian, Conan, God. 912 00:34:53,677 --> 00:34:55,220 {\an8}I hope you're watching, Arnold. 913 00:34:55,345 --> 00:34:56,346 ...would need to become 914 00:34:56,471 --> 00:34:59,140 hideously disfigured Arnold. 915 00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:01,559 There's a transformation. Stage one, 916 00:35:01,684 --> 00:35:04,020 we were in an era of pre-digital-- 917 00:35:04,145 --> 00:35:06,564 You know, makeups can only really be built up, 918 00:35:06,731 --> 00:35:08,233 I don't know if-- built out. 919 00:35:08,358 --> 00:35:10,402 But you can't dig negative space in. 920 00:35:10,568 --> 00:35:13,905 You can't see past the flesh into the bones. 921 00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:16,324 See the teeth, see the tongue. 922 00:35:16,449 --> 00:35:18,326 The idea Stan and Jim came up with 923 00:35:18,326 --> 00:35:20,578 was to make replicas of Arnold 924 00:35:20,704 --> 00:35:22,497 that did have negative space. 925 00:35:22,622 --> 00:35:27,168 Matching makeups to semi- animatronic simple heads. 926 00:35:29,003 --> 00:35:30,213 Makeup and prosthetics 927 00:35:30,338 --> 00:35:32,549 would take hours to put on. 928 00:35:32,674 --> 00:35:34,884 So when the caterers had gone home, 929 00:35:35,010 --> 00:35:38,138 how would Arnold refuel his negative space? 930 00:35:38,304 --> 00:35:39,639 Nine o'clock at night, 931 00:35:39,764 --> 00:35:42,350 Arnold's in his full torn apart makeup. 932 00:35:42,517 --> 00:35:44,144 Let's get outta here. 933 00:35:44,269 --> 00:35:46,980 So we took Arnold into a Hungry Tiger to say hi. 934 00:35:47,105 --> 00:35:48,606 And we walk in and people start looking 935 00:35:48,732 --> 00:35:51,443 and there's a payphone and a woman is on it 936 00:35:51,568 --> 00:35:53,611 as we walk by and the woman says-- 937 00:35:53,778 --> 00:35:55,447 There's somebody after me. 938 00:35:55,572 --> 00:35:58,074 Well, what she actually said was-- 939 00:35:58,199 --> 00:35:59,617 "You'll never believe what just walked in. 940 00:35:59,743 --> 00:36:02,203 A punk band just came in here." 941 00:36:03,413 --> 00:36:04,873 "Hello, everybody. 942 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,624 I hope you're having a fantastic time." 943 00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:08,543 You know, everybody's like... 944 00:36:08,668 --> 00:36:10,628 with their spaghetti halfway up to here. 945 00:36:10,795 --> 00:36:12,547 He's walking along and the woman's right here 946 00:36:12,672 --> 00:36:14,966 on the phone still and he stops and he turns to her 947 00:36:15,091 --> 00:36:17,177 and he takes the phone from her hand, 948 00:36:17,302 --> 00:36:19,429 leans over and kisses her on the cheek 949 00:36:19,554 --> 00:36:21,222 and then hands her back the phone, 950 00:36:21,347 --> 00:36:22,974 turns back and walks out. 951 00:36:23,475 --> 00:36:25,560 She'll never forget that. 952 00:36:25,685 --> 00:36:28,063 Back on the set nobody would forget this. 953 00:36:28,063 --> 00:36:30,982 One of the screw-ups in "Terminator," 954 00:36:31,107 --> 00:36:32,317 nobody notices it. 955 00:36:32,484 --> 00:36:33,985 Actually, I was referring 956 00:36:34,152 --> 00:36:36,696 to the truck explosion that almost incinerated 957 00:36:36,863 --> 00:36:38,323 the whole crew. 958 00:36:38,448 --> 00:36:40,492 We needed the scene where Kyle Reese 959 00:36:40,659 --> 00:36:42,327 jumps into the garbage can. 960 00:36:42,494 --> 00:36:44,496 {\an8}We shot that at Piper Tech, 961 00:36:44,663 --> 00:36:46,998 {\an8}which was where the police land 962 00:36:47,165 --> 00:36:49,417 {\an8}and take off their helicopters. 963 00:36:49,542 --> 00:36:52,295 We had to do this giant explosion off camera 964 00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:55,423 that then rains down on this garbage can. 965 00:36:55,423 --> 00:36:58,259 There was a request from the police, "Please, 966 00:36:58,259 --> 00:37:03,014 please, keep your explosives two stories tall. 967 00:37:03,139 --> 00:37:04,974 No more." 968 00:37:08,269 --> 00:37:11,690 Of course, it was like a four or five story ball of flame. 969 00:37:13,525 --> 00:37:15,360 They have these giant pots, like this-- 970 00:37:15,527 --> 00:37:17,278 that you fill with peat moss, 971 00:37:17,404 --> 00:37:20,031 you fill with cork, you fill with balsa wood 972 00:37:20,156 --> 00:37:21,783 and you use rubber cement. 973 00:37:21,783 --> 00:37:23,368 It's like napalm, rubber cement. 974 00:37:23,493 --> 00:37:24,536 You can imagine as it's burning, 975 00:37:24,703 --> 00:37:26,454 it's sticky stuff. 976 00:37:26,579 --> 00:37:28,498 So this whole glob of goo goes flying into the air. 977 00:37:28,623 --> 00:37:30,542 Rob Roda standing right in front of me. 978 00:37:30,709 --> 00:37:32,377 And I caught fire, 979 00:37:32,502 --> 00:37:34,170 just lost some hair. 980 00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:36,214 Oh, that's something to be proud of. 981 00:37:37,298 --> 00:37:39,050 That was a dangerous movie to do. 982 00:37:39,217 --> 00:37:40,510 Now these are people that are experts at doing things 983 00:37:40,635 --> 00:37:42,095 that can kill you, 984 00:37:42,262 --> 00:37:43,304 but learning how not to die doing them. 985 00:37:43,304 --> 00:37:44,723 Drive faster. 986 00:37:44,889 --> 00:37:46,307 Such as not getting hit in the face 987 00:37:46,474 --> 00:37:48,226 with a speeding truck. 988 00:37:48,351 --> 00:37:51,771 The special tech guys were throwing pipe bombs at me. 989 00:37:51,938 --> 00:37:55,692 One of 'em went off right next to my front motorcycle tire 990 00:37:55,817 --> 00:37:58,528 and the whole bike went like that. 991 00:38:00,488 --> 00:38:01,573 And I, whoop, 992 00:38:01,698 --> 00:38:03,575 got outta his way. 993 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:05,577 I think I missed him by five feet. 994 00:38:07,579 --> 00:38:10,123 Otherwise I would've done a head-on with a semi 995 00:38:10,248 --> 00:38:12,083 doing 60 miles an hour. 996 00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:14,461 And you see the motorcycle in the movie go like this-- 997 00:38:14,627 --> 00:38:15,795 That's all true. 998 00:38:15,962 --> 00:38:17,505 That's not fake. 999 00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:19,424 Luckily, Ken wasn't terminated. 1000 00:38:20,091 --> 00:38:23,219 But Schwarzenegger's flesh and blood roll was, 1001 00:38:23,344 --> 00:38:26,347 meaning life for Stan Winston's effects team 1002 00:38:26,347 --> 00:38:29,476 was about to experience a birth of fire. 1003 00:38:29,642 --> 00:38:32,062 - No! - The endoskeleton was going 1004 00:38:32,187 --> 00:38:34,356 to have a lot more stop motion animation 1005 00:38:36,483 --> 00:38:40,570 and it was Stan who convinced Jim that he could do 1006 00:38:40,695 --> 00:38:44,115 as much full size live action endo as possible. 1007 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,576 What Stan and his group came up with 1008 00:38:46,701 --> 00:38:49,871 is these large portions of the endoskeleton 1009 00:38:49,871 --> 00:38:52,165 that were extremely realistic. 1010 00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:55,126 And Stan had a full 6'2" endoskeleton 1011 00:38:55,251 --> 00:38:56,586 and various bits and pieces, 1012 00:38:56,711 --> 00:38:58,797 arms and legs and hands that would work. 1013 00:38:58,922 --> 00:39:01,216 There's a half body that I wore, 1014 00:39:01,216 --> 00:39:02,550 so it looks like it's walking 1015 00:39:02,675 --> 00:39:04,177 when you see it from the waist up. 1016 00:39:04,302 --> 00:39:06,388 It was about 75 pounds. 1017 00:39:06,388 --> 00:39:08,348 It had a radio-controlled head 1018 00:39:08,515 --> 00:39:10,725 so that the guys could follow around with the head 1019 00:39:10,850 --> 00:39:13,520 and the jaw and the eyes as I was walking. 1020 00:39:13,686 --> 00:39:17,732 But the hard part was hiding all of the rigging. 1021 00:39:17,899 --> 00:39:20,235 The only question now for Cameron, Hurd, 1022 00:39:20,402 --> 00:39:21,695 Schwarzenegger, Hemdale, 1023 00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:24,572 and all the hopeful cast and crew was, 1024 00:39:24,698 --> 00:39:26,408 would all their hard work 1025 00:39:26,533 --> 00:39:29,869 and invention pay off at the box office? 1026 00:39:32,664 --> 00:39:35,750 In May of 1984, principal photography 1027 00:39:35,917 --> 00:39:39,713 for "Terminator" had wrapped on time and on budget. 1028 00:39:39,838 --> 00:39:43,550 Thanks largely to Gale Anne Hurd's production chops. 1029 00:39:43,675 --> 00:39:46,511 They're very clever. Coming from Corman-- 1030 00:39:46,636 --> 00:39:48,430 Live fast, fight well. 1031 00:39:48,430 --> 00:39:51,725 And working with 15, 18, 21 days. 1032 00:39:51,891 --> 00:39:54,102 {\an8}It was amazing to have 42. 1033 00:39:54,102 --> 00:39:56,104 {\an8}I mean, I had the right people 1034 00:39:56,104 --> 00:39:58,106 {\an8}for this ambitious of a project. 1035 00:39:58,106 --> 00:40:00,650 Gale and Jim were becoming a formidable team 1036 00:40:00,775 --> 00:40:04,487 due to both of them being extremely hands-on. 1037 00:40:04,612 --> 00:40:08,116 She was very present on the set. 1038 00:40:08,116 --> 00:40:09,409 She wasn't the type of producer 1039 00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:11,453 that sat back in the main office, 1040 00:40:11,453 --> 00:40:12,746 off-site someplace. 1041 00:40:12,912 --> 00:40:14,122 She was there all night. 1042 00:40:14,122 --> 00:40:15,498 She was there during the day. 1043 00:40:15,623 --> 00:40:17,876 You know, she was a problem solver. 1044 00:40:18,001 --> 00:40:19,502 It was time 1045 00:40:19,627 --> 00:40:21,254 for Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Terminator" 1046 00:40:21,421 --> 00:40:26,217 to face the music and the critics and the public. 1047 00:40:26,342 --> 00:40:27,844 The film is now finished. 1048 00:40:27,969 --> 00:40:29,554 New York wants to see it. 1049 00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:31,389 Arthur looks at the film 1050 00:40:31,514 --> 00:40:33,391 and I go back to look at it with him. 1051 00:40:33,808 --> 00:40:36,770 After the film, he says to me, "This is terrible." 1052 00:40:38,563 --> 00:40:41,775 "You're making my company into 1053 00:40:41,941 --> 00:40:43,693 a Roger Corman company 1054 00:40:44,486 --> 00:40:46,696 with trashy movies." 1055 00:40:46,821 --> 00:40:47,781 Good. 1056 00:40:47,947 --> 00:40:49,324 And I said, 1057 00:40:49,324 --> 00:40:51,117 "This is not a trashy movie. 1058 00:40:51,284 --> 00:40:53,661 This is going to be reviewed well." 1059 00:40:54,037 --> 00:40:56,498 And the critics and the public would agree. 1060 00:40:56,498 --> 00:40:58,958 The reviews were out of this world. 1061 00:40:59,084 --> 00:41:00,293 Like wildfire. 1062 00:41:00,418 --> 00:41:01,836 It's the hit we were hoping for. 1063 00:41:01,961 --> 00:41:03,546 We did it, Kyle. 1064 00:41:03,672 --> 00:41:05,340 - We got it. - It was the talk of the town. 1065 00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:06,800 This little action film that everybody going, 1066 00:41:06,966 --> 00:41:08,343 "Did you see Terminator?" 1067 00:41:08,468 --> 00:41:09,427 I liked the whole movie 1068 00:41:09,552 --> 00:41:10,887 way better than "Piranha 2." 1069 00:41:13,014 --> 00:41:14,599 It was lightning in a bottle. 1070 00:41:14,724 --> 00:41:16,393 Barbara had said as much way back 1071 00:41:16,518 --> 00:41:19,521 with her meeting with Arthur Krim when she said-- 1072 00:41:19,646 --> 00:41:22,565 We need this project and it's gonna make some money. 1073 00:41:22,691 --> 00:41:24,234 He said, "Okay, 1074 00:41:24,359 --> 00:41:25,902 we'll release it in a very limited way." 1075 00:41:26,027 --> 00:41:28,488 Released in October of 1984, 1076 00:41:28,655 --> 00:41:30,865 Cameron and Schwarzenegger's "The Terminator" 1077 00:41:30,865 --> 00:41:34,953 was a hit bringing in $38 million domestically 1078 00:41:35,078 --> 00:41:36,663 in its first run. 1079 00:41:36,788 --> 00:41:39,666 It would go on to gross over $78 million 1080 00:41:39,833 --> 00:41:41,543 at the global box office 1081 00:41:41,543 --> 00:41:44,504 on a budget of just 6.5 million. 1082 00:41:44,671 --> 00:41:45,547 A huge hit. 1083 00:41:45,714 --> 00:41:46,631 Number one box office 1084 00:41:46,756 --> 00:41:48,258 for one, two, three weeks. 1085 00:41:48,383 --> 00:41:49,509 Something like that. 1086 00:41:49,676 --> 00:41:52,470 I just believed in Jim and Gale. 1087 00:41:52,595 --> 00:41:54,222 I just did. 1088 00:41:54,389 --> 00:41:56,766 And it was great for both of them, that picture. 1089 00:41:56,891 --> 00:41:58,643 While the story stands on its own 1090 00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:00,645 as a closed loop, 1091 00:42:00,812 --> 00:42:05,400 Terminator would become a $1.4 billion franchise 1092 00:42:05,525 --> 00:42:09,029 paying forward huge dividends for all the blood, 1093 00:42:09,154 --> 00:42:10,780 sweat and tears. 1094 00:42:10,905 --> 00:42:13,324 "Terminator 1" launched so many careers. 1095 00:42:13,450 --> 00:42:15,535 Mine, James Cameron's, Arnold Schwarzenegger. 1096 00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:16,870 I've worked ever since. 1097 00:42:17,037 --> 00:42:17,954 I never stopped working. 1098 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:19,331 Jim became Jim. 1099 00:42:19,456 --> 00:42:20,665 Gale became Gale. 1100 00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:21,750 Who would team up again 1101 00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:23,585 on their very next project, 1102 00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:26,880 with a slightly less intense Michael Biehn on board. 1103 00:42:27,005 --> 00:42:28,423 Yeah, I noticed. 1104 00:42:28,423 --> 00:42:29,716 Cameron's pen would go on 1105 00:42:29,841 --> 00:42:31,509 to write "Rambo 2," 1106 00:42:31,634 --> 00:42:34,721 which would make $200 million at the box office, 1107 00:42:34,888 --> 00:42:38,600 giving Stallone the edge over his archrival Arnold. 1108 00:42:40,185 --> 00:42:41,770 But "Terminator" was just the beginning. 1109 00:42:41,936 --> 00:42:45,023 A low-budget movie with significant risk attached 1110 00:42:45,148 --> 00:42:46,650 had made Schwarzenegger 1111 00:42:46,775 --> 00:42:49,402 the superstar he'd hope to become. 1112 00:42:49,569 --> 00:42:52,364 I think "Terminator" got him beyond the strongman. 1113 00:42:52,489 --> 00:42:53,615 When Arnold dies, 1114 00:42:53,615 --> 00:42:55,992 they'll probably put "The Terminator" 1115 00:42:56,117 --> 00:42:57,786 on the bottom of his headstone. 1116 00:42:57,911 --> 00:43:00,330 Because of all the things he's ever done, 1117 00:43:00,455 --> 00:43:02,832 that's what he'll be remembered for forever. 1118 00:43:02,957 --> 00:43:06,795 Having traded swords for sawed-off shotguns, 1119 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,005 could Schwarzenegger's next film give him 1120 00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:12,050 the everyman role he always wanted? 1121 00:43:12,175 --> 00:43:14,052 I'll be back, Bennett. 1122 00:43:14,302 --> 00:43:15,679 He said, "I like this picture, 1123 00:43:15,804 --> 00:43:17,472 I'm not a robot from the future, 1124 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:18,932 a caveman from the past. 1125 00:43:19,099 --> 00:43:21,309 I'm wearing clothes like a regular person. 1126 00:43:21,309 --> 00:43:22,769 I do this picture." 1127 00:43:22,894 --> 00:43:24,354 He was trying to humanize Arnold. 1128 00:43:24,479 --> 00:43:26,064 Don't disturb my friend. He's dead tired. 1129 00:43:26,189 --> 00:43:27,565 Remember, Sully, when I promised 1130 00:43:27,691 --> 00:43:28,900 to kill you last? 1131 00:43:29,025 --> 00:43:30,443 The whole audience said the line. 1132 00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:31,569 I lied. 1133 00:43:33,113 --> 00:43:34,656 - What'd you do with Sully? - I let him go.